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From: [e-mail] (George Noel)
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Subject: Re: The March Amiga?
Date: 3 Feb 1996 19:08:31 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Eric Szulczewski <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>GN> >GN> You were crapping on the A1200,
>
>GN> >How appropriate, because that's exactly what I think it is:  crap.
>
>GN> Crap that once was heralded as the most powerful home computer with the
>GN> best price on the market?
>
>By whom?

Various computer magazines ath the time of its introduction.

>GN> In todays market, sure it is lacking but that is why AT are putting
>GN> out the A1200+
>
>No, they're putting it out because they think it can be extremely
>profitable without them having to do a lick of R&D work when they can't

In their position I wouldn't do R&D on the machine either, just enough
though to make sure it all works and is compatible.  They have to improve
on the technology to make the market and image better though and if it
makes them money, great!  More to put towards the PPC Amigas.

>So, in other words, we have two people arguing about the 1200 who don't
>even own one.  George, let's just forget about this, okay?

About the A1200?  Sure.  But if I continue to see your anti-Amiga/Amiga
Technologies, then I'll be back. :)

>GN> The A1200+ could possibly be much better but the current A1200 will never
>GN> be changed.  Why are you crapping on this machine anyways?
>
>Because there are people here calling it the greatest thing since
>sliced bread, when manifestly, it isn't.

The stock A1200 or expanded?  It is better then the A500/600 in most
regards thus an improvement for the Amiga line but now lacking when
compared to other PCs but it is still a decent entry level computer.

>GN> You say you own an A2000, wouldn't it be much more wise for you to
>GN> upgrade to a more reasonably priced A4000t (when they are available)
>GN> then downgrade (expansion wise) to an A1200?
>
>Bingo.  That's why I'm not planning on buying a
>1200/1200+/1300/whatever.  Its expansion capabilities leave it lacking
>to do serious computer work.  Even with SIMM slots, there'll still be
>heavy problems.

That's fine and dandy for you but there are a lot of people out there that
can take advantage of the stock A1200 type machine or A1200+ which do not
want to get into the more serious work that expansion devices will give.
They are no less of a computer user or an Amiga due to this.

>
>GN> Sure the A1200 stock is out of date now and has some quirks..
>
>Just want to clarify what you mean here.  Do you mean "the A1200 stock"
>or "a stock A1200"?  I presume the latter.  No insult, just trying to
>understand your statement.

Yes, this is what I meant.

>GN> this argument will be moot ayways when the A1200+ comes out...
>
>No, it won't.  You can put the body of a Porsche on a VW engine, but
>it'll still run like a VW...

There will be some benefits which should outweigh the faults from the
original design.  The addition of CD-ROM (hopefully) will set a new
standard for software on the Amiga and the quality should improve
greatly, if it has 16 bit audio, even better still. The expansion problem
will still be there for the stock versions more then likely.

>GN> but more then likely you will find something new to crap on
>GN> as that seems to be the type of person you are.
>
>No, I'm going to keep crapping on AT management, and gormless
>enthusiasts who think that every burp that comes out of AT's mouth is
>the word of God (no, not you, Gary) without a little thought going into
>the typing.

I don't expect anything great from AT until they put their work into the
Power Amiga and other variations and AmigaOS 4.0, in the meantime if they
can improve the current model(s) without too much effort and money as to
not take away their time for the next generation of Amigas, then the more
power to them if they promote it and it sells.

>GN> I meant without the A1200 and A4000t there would be no new video toaster
>GN> for example when it came out, there would be less Amigas and Amigans out
>GN> there and the interest in the technology would have faded to the point
>GN> that no would would want to buy it to continue developing it thus no need
>GN> for the Team Amiga that you claim to be a part of.
>
>"Claim"?  You're not on Fido, George.  Otherwise, you'd know that there
>really IS a Team Amiga, and I really AM a member of it.  Gary, can you
>verify this fact for him?

I WAS on Fidonet a couple of years ago, I know there is a Team Amiga and
I am sure you are part of it, it is just that your actions do not seem
like it.  If you could not tell by now, by me saying "that you claim to
be" is being sarcastic.

>GN> Because you are going after 1 of the 2 current Amiga models in
>GN> production,
>
>No, I'm going after a total of two of the computers in the line:  the
>600 and 1200, and only one of those is still in production.

But in todays world the Amiga IS the A1200, A4000t and for a short time
the CD-32 still (it is being sold but not produced).  The A600 is not in
the picture anymore and even I agree it was a waste of time though I do
see the reasons behind attempting it.  Narrowing it down to the A1200 and
A4000t, you are crapping on one of the 2 current models.

>GN> one of which, the one you are crapping on, is the one (until
>GN> the A1200+ comes out) that will be able to be afforded by the masses to
>GN> do an adequate job as an entry level computer and will get Amigas and the
>GN> name into the homes faster then an A4000t and the future Power Amiga
>GN> would.
>
>Oh, the old "get computers to the proles" argument.  This goes back to
>one of the first questions that I asked Gary, which hasn't really been
>answered:  is AT certain there IS an entry level market in NA?

For sure there is, not everyone has been brainwashed by Microsoft yet,
not everyone is upgrading their hardware to simply run an OS because they
cannot afford to do it, there are a lot of people who need a computer
that is cheap, has adequate capabilities and gets the job done.  The
Internet/WEB is a mighty force to contend with, no one knows where it is going
and right now, no one is currently leading, even Microsoft is lagging
behind.  The A1200 and A1200+ can use this wave to ride to its success!

>GN> I bet if you were a salesmen in an Escom shop, you would be one of those
>GN> ones that would rather sell someone a PC over an A1200 even if you were
>GN> hired to sell Amigas.
>
>Now what kind of logic is that?  I'd never recommend a purchase of a PC
>over that of an Amiga, even a 1200.

Considering the so many faults you have about the A1200 and the current
overprice for the A4000t, this is surprising.

>GN> P.S. Jesus Gary, is he like this all the time? :)
>
>I'll save Gary the answer:  yes.

Actually, that was a rhetorical question/sarcasm to the way you ended off
your last message to me! :)

>Eric Szulczewski
>[e-mail]

Not that I mind, but why are you now leaving off Member Team Amiga?

-=*George*=-